. >> absolutely. >> bill: speaking of newtown we have seen, of course, as we started this conversation yesterday, we've seen far far far too many of tragedies but this one really seems to be the game changer. the game changer because again these are kids, these were first graders, these were 6 and 7-year-olds. and the idea that this gun violence this gun rampage has reached that far into a first grade classroom into an elementary school has shocked us all beyond belief. so yesterday, more and more voices coming out saying we have to do something about gun violence in america. but this wild west culture of ours. you had the voices that have always been there on this issue senator dianne feinstein and senator chuck schumer and good for them they've been steadfast on this issue. but you also had what was news was new voices being heard. voices who are known as being totally nra supporters and total second amendment supporters and pro gun senators. starting with senator joe manchin from west virginia. conservative democrat.